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YouTubeTape #10 – Wonder Woman
The Tenth Tape: DC Dave and Doug Adamson play Tape #10, which looks at …
Wonder Woman
With co-hosts Ruth and Darrin Sutherland of the RaD Adventures Network.
Join us as we discuss the Earth-1 and Earth-2 Wonder Women and the role each plays in Crisis. We will examine the crossover issues they are involved in, including Wonder Woman’s book, Infinity, Inc, and The Legend of Wonder Woman.
Timestamps:
- 5:15 – Crisis News
- 7:46 – Ruth and Darrin Sutherland
- 26:18 – Promo: The Earth 2 Podcast
- 27:45 – Wonder Woman
- 1:17:17 – Infinite Earths Spotlight
- 1:35:26 – Promo: RaD Adventures Network
- 1:37:00 – Notes from the Multiverse
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PROMO: The Earth 2 Podcast
PROMO: RaD Adventures Network
NEWS: DC Finest: Events – Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One Trade Paperback
Music: Achilles
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Who great story about your mom getting a tour of dc comics . Praise to all moms everywhere for the the amazing things they do and grandmothers.
That needed to be said .
Any ways not a big Wonder Woman fan that’s my little bros favorite (note little brother is now taller then big bro and he never lets forget it just call him by his nickname ice -man like the x-man character.) any ways I’m more of green lantern and flash green sliver age versions . For second g when George I thought you gonna say burns and was like ya Gracie Allen was not in the dc comics was she ? What weird comic that would as in the radio show the George burns and Gracie Allen show in there Christmas episode they once fought magic pirate to save Christmas and had a talking duck . I recommend check out the radio show you might like and the Jack Benny show and the mysterious traveler
Have made any u.k tv reference to my favorite British comdies
1. Red dwarf
2. Dads army .
3. Keeping up appearances
4. My hero
Random American shows to mention
1. The bay city rollers (American version was made by kroft brothers as well .)(they had international show as well )
2. Super human samurai syber squad
3. Memphis Wrestling 1982-1983
4.taxi
5. Andy Kaufman tv special
Despite the Bay City Rollers being from Edinburgh (my home town of course) I had no idea they had a TV show in the USA! Everyday is a school day.
We got Taxi here in the UK! You’re going to have to try harder for something super obscure here!
For balance, we never got Superfriends here (as far as I can tell), so y’all gushing about the show has no effect on us! I was probably watching Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds instead!
I don’t remember Taxi at all – I might have been too young. I do envy the Americans and their Saturday Morning Cartoons and also their Syndicated Mornings and afternoons of Cartoons. It used to drive my parents NUTS when my brother an I would get up at 6am to watch Thundercats Episodes the BBC WERE NEVER GOING TO GET TO. And Gi Joe Episodes which TV-AM could never get to show either, Transformers etc.
Maybe we should get all the Brits on this feed to do a special epsiode for Brick Crisis to discuss all the TV shows we had to suffer through to get snippets of ONE episode per WEEK of Centurions (Get Fresh I seem to recall made by Border TV) or Transformers or later on the New Captain Scarlett which was Brilliant and cut to death by ITV ….
Anyway SP I saw Superfriends on TV on holiday in the States – never saw it in the UK like EVER but I do remember the toys appearing for Super Powers.
Dont get us wrong Americans we got plenty of other shows including The Toy Line shows – just we didn’t get them that often and were barely one episode a week before they went back and reshowed previous episodes. Some even appeared on VHS to buy – Action Force (GI Joe) Transformers and M.A.S.K. all spring to mind. We did get some episodes of the likes of The Disney Cartoon hours – and we eventually got Batman TAS (but again not all in one go and often with studio bits in between). So we weren’t denied the good stuff…. Apart from Superfriends or Voltron (again a VHS find in my youth) or Robotech….. but hey we got Mysterious Cities of Gold and Ulyssess 31 and Thunderbirds 2086… Anyway I’m WAY OFF topic here.
To bring things back … We did the the LIVE ACTION Wonder Woman….
Bucky, Memphis Wrestling is a pretty deep cut. Most Americans wouldn’t know it unless they were big old-school wrestling fans and/or grew up in the Memphis area. I discovered it on YouTube. Lance Russell and Dave Brown were great ringleaders of all the zany action.
Great show with the Sutherlands, Dave and Doug! I read a couple of issues of pre-Crisis Wonder Woman, but really began following the character with the coming of the George Perez run. As far as her involvement with the Crisis, I agree with Dr. Anj that it’s a shame that her “death” is so overshadowed by the deaths of Supergirl and Barry Allen.
Always great to hear Ruth and Darrin on any show. And ‘Earth Grell’ was fantastic!
One thing I have never really thought about before this discussion was how little Wonder Woman really is part of the Crisis itself. She wasn’t part of ‘The Trinity’ then. The fact that she doesn’t show up until Crisis #4 is a little crazy when you think of the position of prominence she has in the DCU right now.
Not that she has always been treated with kindness in these crossovers. You might remember in Final Crisis she is infected by Darkseid and because a war general for him.
For me, the thing that sticks out the most is how in the Crisis, Wonder Woman is ‘killed’ by the Anti-Monitor in a ‘blink and you’d miss it’ small panel. You might remember that my complaint about the Crisis was the pacing. When characters Kid Psycho and the cowboy Nighthawk have panels/whole pages dedicated to their dying including the reaction of nearby characters and Wonder Woman is just evaporated in one panel speaks to that pacing issue. Heck, Supergirl and the Flash have whole issues dedicated to their deaths.
Wonderful discussion … pun intended.
Ruth and Darrin, podcasting royalty! It was great to hear their opinions on the involvement of the Wonder Women in the Crisis on Infinite Earths, or, as they’re now calling it in recent DC comics, the Great Crisis (it’ll never catch on). I did enjoy hearing about Darrin and Ruth’s Earth, I didn’t actually know DC editors had informally christened an ‘Earth Grell’. I think in recent years I’ve seen reference to Skartaris being inside the Earth, but via a dimensional rift.
Excellent opening, boys, I loved hearing about your adventures in Crete. I bwaa-ha-haed at The Minotaur Tapes. What next, a trip to Transylvania for the Vlad Tepes?
Doug, Doug, I don’t believe you don’t know all about the New Format, you even dropped the phrase into your discussion of the Young All-Stars! Anyroadup, so far as I always understood it, the difference between Baxter and New Format was the weight of the paper, with Baxter being heavier. I’m a Baxter on my mother’s side, fascinatingly. And heavier.
How interesting to hear Darrin and Ruth‘s Great Crisis origin stories, and that Darren had the very common experience of an Andrew Preview origin… all the right comics, but not necessarily in the right order (you want ancient English telly references, you can have ancient English telly references, Doug, but you may have to explain that to Dave).
I’m impressed Darrin and Ruth read the Legend of Wonder Woman, as I wouldn’t consider that necessary research – it came after the Great Crisis, and really only touched on proceedings at the very start and the finish of the four issues – it was an excellent read, though
I disagree with Dave that Wonder Woman wasn’t terribly prominent back then, yes, her comic was on the verge of cancellation for years, but in terms of licensing she was everywhere. Possibly due to all those Super Friends cartoons she was definitely considered one of DC’s top tier, it was always Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. No way was Robin the third part of the Big Three (I hate ‘Trinity’, that has a specific meaning which doesn’t apply to superheroes), for example decades of World’s Finest splash pages that proclaimed the story starred ‘your TWO favourite heroes together together’ meaning Superman and Batman, while Robin was right there alongside them, invisible, unconsidered, unloved/
I politely disagree with Dave that Diana had a terrible 10 years before her book ended with the Middling – sorry, Great – Crisis, that was one of my favourite periods.Diana’s Bronze Age adventures were always solidly entertaining and the last few years, with Dan Mishkin and Don Heck, were fabulous. And Doug, I really do disagree, after issue 300 the Wonder Woman series was moving forward at a terrific pace. Heck, various aspects of the later issues were nicked by the post-Crisis series, such as the use of Themyscira for ‘Paradise Island’. After George Perez left Bill Loebs brought in Artemis, and longtime readers were nodding, ‘oh aye, it’s Orana all over again’.
OK, that’s me off to read an old copy of The Adventures of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.
Interesting fact a lot of old radio shows are available now as podcast like the Jack Benny show and the mysterious traveler and people even put sets of radio shows together . Also I think the long box crusade did one on the Sherlock Holmes radio show. And there is one called the black museum and the third man you would both enjoy
People are gonna start calling me Mr radio if keep talking about American old time radio
I’ve also listened to big finish audio dramas over doctor who , Sherlock Holmes and dark shadows
Nothing wrong with knowing stuff Bucky, be proud!
Thanks appreciate it
Random radio fact did you know marry Livingston the real life wive of Jack Benny her maiden name was Marx and yes she was related to the Marx brothers so that explains jacks friend ship with Groucho read in Jack Benny’s biography.
I did not!
I have a theory!
We all know that a majority of solo female heroes in the Crisis were “retired” in one way or another. So I wonder if Power Girl (and Huntress) sudden rejoining of Infinity, Inc. is because of either a) Because they started appearing in Crisis, or 2) To save them from the chop!
Now, yes, it’s very probably the former, but just let me have my corkboard and string moment!
But what about Huntress, you ask? (because you’re reading what I just wrote)
Well, going on nothing but vibes, the true power of a comic reader, but I suspect that it was originally planned that she survived only for them to change their mind and kill her (and Robin) off-screen!
tl:dr Roy was the MVP of the entire Crisis!
Huntress (Helena Wayne) survining Crisis was always going to be tricky as they still had Babs Batgirl. Had the Killing Joke Moment been planned for 1986…. Then I Could see a “Look Babs in a chair now oh but look just like we can replace Supergirl with Power Girl we can replace Babs with Helena” plan.
No matter what happened I’m sure Robin was for the chop. Actually Dave we might need to look into out our “Post Crisis how would we have done it” episode because I just had a plan for Robin from Earth 2.
Great show, guys. Ruth and Darrin have great NPR voices. Very calming. Early Wonder Woman is a bit of a mystery for me, so always good to learn more. I haven’t commented in a few episodes, but I’m still stunned how many people got Crisis out of order! Am I the weirdo for starting with issue #1?
Nah, there’s me, I understood how to count too.